Im not exactly sure what our future holds, but I do know we are exactly where we are supposed to be XOXO ~ Thank you for the lovely insights!!! There is a certain someone whose natal Sun is in the 12 th, his sun also receiving a natal square from his Neptune. I dont know why im writing you this because uncounsciously know this relationship was all about love and let go. Regine. If we do things out of fear or for security, and we dont listen to the call to step onto our proper path in life, we are serving the ego instead of the soul. In our synastry chart, we also have exact Chiron/Venus opposition. Thats for start. These are the couples who are magnetically attracted to one another and who, after making the necessary commitments, find themselves on strange and unfamiliar territory. mercury and mercury conj. Are these water houses the culprits that keep pulling me back? Saturn, NN, and Sun exact at 28 degrees, opposite Chiron Rx in Cancer. Once they have hammered out their imbalance (too little, too much is often a theme with the 12th) they must find a way to make something real of their inspiration. It isnt that theyre unhappyno, they seem to go more the extreme of bliss altering with despair. My fiance and I have an exact conjunction of Sun/Mercury in the 12th in Taurus with Venus also being the chart ruler and placed in the 1st. Eventually, some of their views may clash and this can . Black Moon Lilith in 5th or 11th house in composite chart: This . Weve known each other for a decade??? Romantic Conjunctions in the 12th House. and he JUST asked me to lunch yesterday. (like your name too. where is very intense connection and I can feel things youve described but also I can see it as long term.. I might even say hes one of the closest people to me. Find a way to bring the god down to the day to day world, so that it, too, is considered sacred. I dont quite know what it all means but I like what you wrote here and will keep it in mind for future reference: [Couples with a heavy 12th house/ 6th house polarity have to find a way to put their wisdom to some practical use. intresting to know why its so bad. Thank you very much Dawn. How that manifests depends on other aspects. But, our composite chart is weird. That you both have the Moon in the 12th makes you both sensitive to your surroundings and highly intuitive. Juno is also important. Youre a poet of poets. I feel ok about it but dont want to attach to it. Having someone else's planets in these houses (especially the 5 th, 7 th, and 8 th houses), conjunct the Vertex or not, indicate a high level of compatibility and intimacy. I have learned to surrender much but our relationship isnt surviving, we cant let go altogether and cant seem to be together. What if the composite chart has two strong stelliums: one is made up of the outer planets in the 12th, the other Sun/Mercy/Venus/Juno in the 10th (and moon and mars are in the 8th). The twelfth house is associated with hidden emotions, and Lilith's influence adds an extra layer of complexity to this placement. I am not an expert but this artical ssure proves the writer of it right! Looking forward to taking more classes with you in the future. We have had such a difficult relationship. I feel there is no Karmic tie to this person, my intuition leans more towards twin flame type status. taurus venus-mars conjunction in Your opinion? The composite AC is Scorpio Pluto in 12th (only planet) and Mars in 8th. Neptune causes us to turn our other into gods. Curious about the sexual response (if there will be anything), its friendly. Again, sadly, this being the 12th, most of the time the lesson is learning to love and then let go. taurus venus-mars conjunction in Your opinion? Saturn is the heaviest aspected planet in this composite, which actually reinforces the intensity of the Moon/Saturn-opposite theme from synastry. Some relationships have terrible natal comparisons and good composites. I didnt see him for a year after we split up and then ran into him last year out of nowhere. Lilith in : 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th Lilith - astrology meaning Black Moon - Fascination and Denial Lilith is a fictional point - the second empty focal point of . I felt like someone kicked me out of my home. Aspects to composite planets will fill in the details. There are lots of couples with heavy 12th house influence who are out in the open. But exploring worlds during sex, soul bonding, feeling understood at a deep level, feeling at home in the spirit of the world, higher purpose together, channeling together, these are all things ive felt with my boyfriend and our 12th house energies. Another concern is his Saturn and North node in my MC/IC and my Mercury/Mar (ruler of my 7th) in his Asc. They rip the rug from under you every other day. As Jeff Buckley puts it, hes a tear that hangs inside my soul forever. Mercury in 12th House. It's so "behind scenes" that it freaks me out. Everything you said is so on point. We are mainly connected by a love of art, music and film. Its a huge task, but often one the 12th house couple is uniquely suited for. Struggling against our own unconscious is not an easy thing a strong karmic tie is indicated in the 12th house, or in the other water houses 4,8. Our strongest aspect is Saturn Trine Moon. Watch out for substance abuse and addictions. 8th and 12th house seem to have haunted me for most of my life , Your email address will not be published. What gives a better idea of the relationship potential, synastry or composite? There is a lot of love between us, much alignment in our dreams and life goals and a feeling of being soul mates and yet a strange disconnect emotionally that has us often feeling like we are on completely different wavelengths. Hi!! Lilith in 12th House, Black Moon Lilith In Twelfth House; 1 Angel Number, 1 Angel Number Twin Flame. In traditional astrology, the 12 th house is known as the house of Bad Spirit. we have stellium-sun, venus, mercury in 12th house-composit chart(aries), mars in 11th house, moon in 6th, uran retrograde and pluto retrograte in 5th, jupiter retrograde and neptun retrograde in 7th house, south node conjuct regulus in 4th hause, vertex conjuct DC, saturn in 1th house. The romantic nature of the past relationship is more emphasized which planets such as Venus, Mars, or Lilith in the twelfth house. (anyone who has ever fallen in love and had planets with that person in 12th composite will know..). Ultimately, both the 12th house and Neptune want us to get our egos out of the way. There is probably some sort of inequality and that can be good for employee/employer or guru/student relationships. His venus also opposed my Lilith in XII., his Pluto also trine my lilith in XII. But i ran of him, i really dont understand why, it makes me feel so sad. (Our North Node rulers often lead us down these blind alleyways.) We have Sun,mercury,venus and jupiter in 12th house virgo. Am i trapping my self? do you have any clue of what this means or should i just ignore it? Its also trine to the moon and sextiling Uranus. i give it much meaning because i really feel a psychic connection and a karmic fate, but again that could be just me since i have a heavy neptune but nothing in my natal 12th. I was wondering about my composite contacts with some I know who we share 12th house themes with. Two sides of the same coin. Mars & NNode in Cancer/10th. It isnt every case that the couple with a strong 12th house will break up. It may have felt like chaos, but later on we know that there was method to the madness. I have a heavily involved 12th house with someone, in synastry, sun and sun/moon in each other natal and composite.shows Sun/Mar/Saturn. 4 months passed since then. And I read from Stephen Arroyo that it is so important to see the traditional rulers of the signs , for example in Aquarius is more important to see Saturn than Uranus. Thank you very much for the answer. So, the composite Venus and Saturn are also in the 12th house. Nothing in astrology dictates your decisions. Our synastry with my beloved couple is very strong with good connections between both 1th and 7th house rulers and many positive aspects like double whammy saturn-moon, and positive ascendant-moon, ascendant-venus, venus-moon, and so warm and intense pluto conj. Was our purpose to heal each other? In the Davison, we have Saturn, Moon, Pluto, and Venus Conjunct in the 12th house. Indeed, I felt the fear trampling along the edge with fear of insecurity. Maybe someone else on the page will have an answer for you. What the twelfth house demands of us always is that we give the ego a rest, but often challenges regarding the ego are exactly what we have to face with twelfth house planets. P.S. Eventually, we learn that life is not as random as we thought, but full of purpose and meaning. The part about unrequited love was particularly interesting and that other part might not know what we exist. Thank you. I turned to astrology and within months I learnt a lot of things about this topic. My wife and I have composite moon in the 12 house (aquarius). Composite Pluto in the 12th House With Composite Pluto in the 12th house, you may struggle over power and control in ways that aren't obvious. Thank you. This places can even indicate psychic ability. So sad! Those with this placement can benefit significantly from learning how to . I am in a relationship with a man for 14 years in which we have an extremely strong synastry including my saturn conjunct his venus by degree, his saturn/node conjunct my sun/chiron by degree. Required fields are marked *, Notify me of followup comments via e-mail. Women may stay because they think, how the heck am i going to find a man Im this connected to? Please your opinion. In the end it was his choice to end it. Id appreciate any information. 12th house issues are not always supportive. Haunting New Classes and Courses Beginning In September! I was heart broken all over again. The lower expression has to be elevated, and the higher expression needs to be realized. Talking about Fate! He also has 12th house stellium in his own natal chart in Scorpio. My concern is a grand trine in the composite chart, Mercury/Jupiter/Venus all conjunct in the 1st (pisces) trine Moon/North node conjunct in the 5th (cancer) and Neptune the chart ruler in the 9th (Scopio). It doesnt matter. The synastry can show the true about our relationship, and the Davison also but less than synastry, but the Composite chart can show almost nothing. I have 12th house with my partner, but also many Saturn and Pluto Aspects. With Libra in 12th House, your past life may not be that pleasant. When transit Jupiter is in the composite 12th house, you may have more opportunities to come together behind the scenes, behind closed doors, when no one is watching, and in a professional relationship, this can be how you make lots of progress together. I had a relationship with someone, in our composite chart, we have a stellium in the 12th house Sun, Juno, Venus and Uranus. We fall, and find the world. Definitely karmic and unbreakable. We were happy plutonicay together. Everyone longs for melding and merging in relationship, but the truth is that separateness makes us interesting to one another. Because of the sensitivity of house cusps, I recommend using the Koch house system . I am reasonably happy in my 3+ year marriage, and yet, I still miss my former boyfriend desperately sometimes. Now, you can either say its karma, or you can say that person A is psychologically hooking onto the archetype formed with person Bs chart, but whatever it is, it can be a very powerful pull. With 4, 8 and 12 emphasized, youll have to deal with one another in an emotionally honest way, no matter what karma you have to work out together. Our date was perfect but too creepy cause he told his very deep secrets and early regrets to me. My question is this: Does our Sun/Mercury conjunction in the 12th composite necessarily have to mean we are destined to learn a particular lesson and then part? We met one day and it was ON, mutual, and understood without saying word. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. I dont know whether this situation is karma? I apologize for the mistakes, Im French and sometimes it is difficult to express in English . I and my boyfriend have conjunction of mars-venus in twelfth house (taurus) closely conjuncting composite gemini ascendant. In the composite chart, the composite 12th house can show what may be hidden in the relationship, what may play out subconsciously in the relationship, the karma of the relationship, and what needs to be let go of. Thanks so much Dawn. It will revolve around sorrow, secrets, fantasies, hidden desires, emotions, and everything that belongs to our little secrets without physical forms. Just not what I wanted to hear. A lot of native speakers make this same mistake, and worse. In my natal I have mars and mercury in 12th house Gemini. On the one hand We are meant to be on the other, But if we are, why is it so hard?, When a couple has planets, or an important planet, in the 12th, it can go a couple of ways. Our Composite Sun, Mercury, Venus, Mars and Jupiter are in the 12th, Gemini. We feel it has a nebulous, yet mysteriously powerful influence on our lives when we have planets there, even though we cant quite fathom the type of influence it wieldsare we being seduced to a precipitous cliff by external forces, or are the demons within driving us to the edge? my davison chart has our sun, mercury and pluto in the 12. frequently i hear what he says in my head before he says it. Its part of me. It shapes the relationship between two persons. So my final question is which method should I look onto (composite or synastry) as they both seem to go into totally different directionsand is it possible to reveal our secret relationship even with composite 12th house? They usually experience issues with drugs or alcohol. What do you think? Our midpoint composit cannot show any true about our relationship. How ironic! If you dont like how someone operates, who cares how connected you are to them? One of my longest relationships featured a Lilith-Sun/Ascendant conjunction in synastry. Greetings. Written in 12thouse Neptunian mystique and eloquence Interesting description: it seems like weve followed ourselves around the country for each of our lives and not ever taking the time to learn about each other. I feel that our connection is a long term one over many lifetimes. I have read your response about 12th house and i really do agree with you. Guess our trines from Sun/Moon to Jupiter arent enough to off set. However, humans are imperfect, and complete faith is hard to keep up all of the time. If anything new would happen you would dbe the first one to know! However, what happens when we join together as a couple/entity is reflected in the composite chart. That 12th house/Neptune influence is devasting if left unchecked. Sometimes the twelfth house energies become lost, and we create false gods from what we cannot find within us (for example, those with Leo on the 12th house cusp may worship creative expression, but not be able to find it in themselves). My natal venus is in the 12 th house. It was a complicated, intense, spicy hot love affair that changed both of our lives. Will we stay together after we have learned our lesson together? Just a knowing if you will. Ive seen couples with a heavy 12th house influence utterly befuddled and bedazzled by their lives (which dont go the way their friends lives go). so we find the True in each other. Unfortunately, the 12th House is one of the hardest places for Lilith to be. AT ALL. hi dawn:) IF THIS IS NOT A TRAGIC LOVE STORY THAN WHAT IS? My life seems to cycle in and out of being able to bring that 12 house/Neptune energy into the everyday world. And we both natally have same aspects, my mars is in my 12th and his moon is in his 12th also. In the composite only our venus and moon are conjunct in the 12th. Lilith square . More appreciative of that special melding? Thanks for this very interesting article about that controversial 12th house and I totally agree with your final paragraph. and Ceres in Pisces in his 12th and all conjunct his lilith. You are great!!!!!!!!!!! The relationship has been on & off, again and again for 28 years. And you may then limit yourself for years, into oblivion. Thanks a lot Dawn, now I understand it. It is ruled by Pluto and Mars, rulers of Scorpio. Lilith in Synastry. I am so sad because I would have never meet him IF my husband and this man, and his wife would not become friends with him in church, ( I did not go to church for a while so I would not meet them!) Judy, Im sorry about your relationship with your daughter. Is Your experience the same? I have met my match. however, we are very well aspected with neptune in trine and sextile to our nodes, as our sun, but our vertex is opposed and conjucted. In synastry, his Pluto is in my 12th conjunct my ascendent tightly, and I have nothing in his 12th. I dont have enough information, but the chart emphasis leads me to believe that you are right in your analysis, that the partnership finds its life in the upper houses. When there are clusters of planets there are no simple solutions. I feel so helpless! This guy in my life puts Libra venus in my 12th (conjuncting my own Libra venus in 12th). Ive recently broke up with what was felt the love of my life the most pure and locvng relationship ever. It is SO powerful! Then you have to put the natal charts around the composite, and there are a number of other techiques depending on what questions are asked: coalescent charts, draconic charts, etc. A very painful and challenging connection. should i run away from this relationship? Saturn and Uranus both have a lot to say about Aquarius. You could unknowingly absorb all types of pain from the collective unconscious, making it difficult for you to be a member of the world. Could I ask Your opinion? The synastry can show the true about our relationship, and the Davison also but less than synastry, but the Composite chart can show almost nothing. Black Moon Lilith in 12th house suggests an interest in the occult and esoteric teachings. We are both married similar age kids. I read your article and its really touching! Neptune is in the 4th, Libra. Also, forgive my double Virgo and the fact that I was once an editor: the phrase is unrequited love not unrequired. Sorry. Im also sorry to say that trines arent all theyre cracked up to besometimes they just pour energy into whatever else theyre aspecting, in this case, the major square. She has great remorse about it and is seeking help to try and put an end to it. Your email address will not be published. Composite Venus in the 12th House. Oftentimes, once we surrender to the powers of the 12th house, our lives are transformed by meaning, because those unlikely connections have brought us a wisdom beyond our time together. Reply. PS.. hes the very first guy I ever met who knew and talked about astrology! Thank you for reading and I hope this story helps reveal more about the 12th house in composites. Your emotions may also be cloudy and unclear at times, and your lack of boundaries may cause you trouble. Lots of greetings from Serbia. It is commonly thought that the Moon governs emotions and intuition, and it does. We both have natal moon in house 12. Happy holidays and thank you for this article. Though many of the things you have said have been true, and there are challenges, I know we are committed to knowing each other and spending this precious time together. You can use this to your . what can we do here? I retire in one year and will be living 20 miles from him. We move from the personal world, giving up our individuality along the way, to become a plaything of the collective unconscious. I have a nice syntrastry with my boyfriend (im born 8/1/1983 and he is born 10/7/1982). But the problem with Neptune and XII house synastric connections, is that illusions seem to possess not your brain, but your flesh and soul. I have always been very attached to her and have had strong needs for physical intimacy which she has resisted. Couples with a heavy 12th house/ 6th house polarity have to find a way to put their wisdom to some practical use. And they might move next year to another town because of their son so I am already dying from the thought that I will not see him after that. If I murdered this illusion, it would be like if I murdered my own soul ; I just cant . Definitely karmic and unbreakable. A trauma might have triggered you before, making you a reserved person now. When transit Venus is in the composite 12th house, you may enjoy being affectionate with one another when no one else around is around to pry and its just the two of you in a personal relationship. Its pretty rare. Arent these positive aspects good enough to sustain a relationship down-to-earth, telling me to forgive and try again or just simply blowing the matter worse and prolonging it?. His natal Venus in cancer is in my 12house. But also to wound each other? Sometimes learning from the mistakes IS the path. We all have things we come in to this life to accomplish, achieve, or learn. We also have Sun conjunct Saturn, Saturn trine Moon double whammy, Sun conjunct North Node double whammy, his venus conjunct my ascendant, My Mercury conjunct his ascendant, our moons conjunct in aries, Sun opposite Sun, Mercury opposite Mercury, and Venus opposite Venus, all within 3 degrees. In a negative way, the struggles within the partnership will cause the Pluto person to see where his or her behaviour needs adjusting. Sorry, aja, this is too much information to handle in this space. I think that your article is quite amazing, but for those of us who are making these relationships work for us I wish you would have given some cases in which it can work. Im also interested in anything about twin flame relationships. After I read and then I re-read this was the conclusion that I am more confused than before but more peaceful and more tolerant with my fate. Youre writing is inspired. Aquarius rising at 29 degrees. We talk with each other and I know he loved me and still does like me , we talk in the church when we can but none of us really telling the real story (which is so 12 house thing). Sun and Neptune both trine Lilith, who is in Pisces AND in house 12. The lack of posturing and display of ego gives others the chance to have a "day in the sun," endearing the 12th house sun to the person they gave the chance to shine. Our synastry with my beloved couple is very strong with good connections between both 1th and 7th house rulers and many positive aspects like double whammy saturn-moon, and positive ascendant-moon, ascendant-venus, venus-moon, and so warm and intense pluto conj. The person with the most crowded 12th house in history is Ann Margret, a Swedish born actor best known for her iconic Easy Rider bike scene and starring in Viva Los Vegas alongside Elvis Presley. I loved you from the first moment and that has never changed.) In the 10 years, he (who had been separated from his wife when we first met) went back to his wife, I got engaged to someone else but broke it off realizing I do not love my fiance, reconnected as just friends, and I eventually married someone else, with his blessings. It also works the other way. I say empty.. no planet but Asteroid Osiris is 26 Aries. They feel invisible or alone. We have experienced together so much and it helps my mental developement so much and also your idea about loving and letting go interests me a lot. When Pluto is conjunct the North Node, our mistakes can be more dramatic and our adjustments have to be greater. You need to work on bringing body and mind together, as a couple. They have to learn to work togetherthats the challenge. I can no longer approach love as wholeheartedly again. However it can create a feeling of fate sometimes, since it's also the house of soulmates and psychic connections. We have (taurus) mars-venus conjunction on the 12th house and it is so real in our life: we need so strong the deep intimacy and the so close physical and spiritual nearness together, and it is better for us to be alone together for our happiness. This can happen in composites of unrequited love, where one person loves another who doesnt know he or she exists. Sun conj. We have Uranus, Mercury, Neptune, Saturn, North Node, Sun in the 12th. He didnt want to commit/marry. It often helps to work together on projects they find meaningful, or to spend some time doing community or charity work. My mars falls in his 12th and his moon falls in my 12th. And I learned a lot too. Lilith in 12th House Composite, Composite Lilith in 12th House You may find it challenging to express devotion and love for one another if Composite Lilith is in the 12th house. We become real magicians if we can tap into it. Learning to become unattached to outcome is a Neptunian theme in general. We share the same dreams, communicate telepathically, had a fated magnetic meeting; we are truly best friends. but the rising is scorpio. what kind of compassion do you think can be generated from a composite mars in 12th house? Beginning to look at our Composite Chart and come to find a Moon and Mars Conjunction in Leo 12th House. Mysterious things attract you. Chiron in 12th House Meaning, Chiron in Twelfth House Meaning. Because, of Saturn and Pluto? That is really challenging chart I assume and I dont know whether I go for this guy or not. This position can show one person makes all of the sacrifices and the other person takes everything . That may mean leaving you behind. Any advice would be helpful. I read once if someones pluto is attached to his own north node that would mean if the person puts anything between himself and god he will loose it, because that is what Pluto teaches. My natal Venus conjuncts composite IC and his natal Mars conjuncts composite MC. Is Your experience the same? My nn is conjunct his sun and mercury. Im a Pisces sun 7house. To use Jeff Greens analogy, the ego believes it is an independent entity, but a developed ego is like a wave; it knows it is moving towards the shore, but it also knows that it will return to the ocean to which it belongs, the place of the Source or universal spirit. the davison chart also has our moon, venus, saturn and uranus in the 1st. I had a karmic relationship with a guy for 6 years which ended badly. Your article is amazing! I dont want to lose this relationship too so I would like to help me to find out the karmic lesson. Im always attracted to those types of relationships Dawn, thank you for writing this article. scares me a bit. The Sun in 11th house synastry overlay creates an atmosphere of friendship between you.

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